KAREN: Were there any times when somebody would come to you as a patient and you tried to save them and you couldn't?

AGNES: No.

KAREN: So that stabbing you talked about and --

AGNES: That was oh --

KAREN: The shotgun, the person --

AGNES: Oh, the shotgun one was terrible.

KAREN: -- that you were able to save those people?

AGNES: Yeah, the stabbing was ok, but the gunshot wound was one side of his face. And he tried to talk, but he couldn't because his whole outside of his face --

KAREN: His jaw was gone?

AGNES: Blood all over. The PA was there, took care most of it, but we were there for moral support. He didn't make it.

KAREN: He didn't make it?

AGNES: Uh-hum (negative). It was all through drinking.

KAREN: Do you get training on how to handle, how to deal with those kind of things, the emotions of it?

AGNES: There were so many people in there that, you know, there are people there consoling, while we're trying to clean up the mess and the PA was taking care of the patient. It was horrible.

KAREN: I think it would be hard to try so hard to save somebody, you know, and then lose them and how you as a caregiver deal with the emotions of that?

AGNES: On yourself or others?

KAREN: No, on yourself.

AGNES: Oh, it bothered us for a long of time. Especially if you knew that person. But we knew they had a lot of problems and that was His way of taking care of His, I guess.

KAREN: Did they offer post-traumatic counseling or anything like that?

AGNES: Not that I remember. But they, later on, Mt. Edgecumbe or somebody would come and talk to the kids in school and they'd help them handle whatever it was.