LILLIAN:  By going to the schools and talk to the students, and any questions, or talk to them about drugs and alcohol.  And let's see. 
We did a survey, the Browns, there was Jeannie and her husband, and the Browns that came there, and we did -- we passed a paper to all the kids and asked questions about different names of drugs. 

And, you know, it shocked me how those -- a lot of those children knew.  They knew more than I did about the different names of, you know, what they call them.  Like marijuana, they -- was it toke, and pill, or whatever.  They knew more about those than I did.  It was amazing. 

And you know, it was kind of -- we had IASD school superintendent live in McGrath, and the teachers that were selected to teach in the villages should not have been there.  There was one that was bringing in drugs and selling it to the people.  And it was -- I don't know.  It was -- it wasn't very good. 

KAREN:  Is IASD, Innoko Area School District?  Iditarod.

LILLIAN:  Iditarod.  Iditarod Area School District.  And they had to get them out of there. 

KAREN:  So when you -- you mentioned being at Phase 4 when you went to the villages and checked the clinics and their medicines.

LILLIAN:  Uh-hum (affirmative).  Uh-hum. 

KAREN:  What is that Phase 4?  Phase 4 health aide? 

LILLIAN:  Yes. 

KAREN:  And what is that? 

LILLIAN:  That is that you know enough about medication and what they are used for.  And -- well, just to make sure that the health aides knew how to dispense their medication to their patients and to make sure that if they had a certain kind of medicine to take, to go into the homes and make sure they take them. 

KAREN:  Does Phase 4 refer to the training, level of training? 

LILLIAN:  Yes.  And then what else did we do.  I know I went up there to make sure -- oh, tell them how -- as when they run low on certain bandages and whatever they needed, make sure they -- they had to make an inventory of their supplies they have, and such as OB packs and -- and suture kits. 
Not that they did -- some did suturing, but not -- in an emergency, you could, but some were trained in that.  And -- and they did well.  I never did have to suture anybody. 

KAREN:  Oh, you didn't? 

LILLIAN:  I learned -- I learned it, but I didn't never had to. 
And this one time one of the teachers brought his dog to me, wanted me to sew up something that he had, and I -- I didn't want -- I refused to.  I told him, why don't you try it. 

Actually, I was afraid of the dog, but he said, I'd watch, and I said, no.  I didn't -- I didn't think I had to do that.  Bring him to Aniak or some other more -- a person that wouldn't hesitate to do it. 

And of course, when the -- the team that came to vaccinate dogs and give them their rabies shots and stuff, you had to make sure that the whole village knew so they would bring their -- their dogs and young, you know, six month olds, I think, or four month old dogs had to have all -- all those shots.  And if they didn't get everyone, they would leave the -- some with you, and you had to give it to them. 

KAREN:  So you --

LILLIAN:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  You were sort of the -- you put the word out that the vet's coming, everybody? 

LILLIAN:  Uh-hum.  Yeah.  Yeah.  And then if there was an emergency, if I couldn't leave, I'd let my alternate take the patient. 

But most of the time when an emergency came up, both of us were in the clinic.  We both helped each other.  Yeah.  There was sometime -- if we had to bring children, we had -- the mother had to be the escort.  Yeah.