LILLIAN:  So he's the --

KAREN:  How -- how did that work with the travelling doctors and nurses?  Did they come and visit Holy Cross? 

LILLIAN:  They did in -- every fall, they would come.  The nurses, Public Health nurse, used -- would come in beginning of school year.  And what we had to do was weigh all the children and update their charts, I mean, their records on their shots.  And give shots to those that needed it.
 
And after Diane, I worked with her and she said, I don't think I need to come here anymore to do this because I think you can do it.  So I told her, okay.  That's fine with me. 

And after I resigned from there, nobody else ever did it.  I don't know what the reason was, but maybe the amount of training you had and -- and they themselves decided, Theresa, I taught her how to give shots.  And she -- she was so afraid to.  I said, you can do it now.  I told her, you do it -- do this and do that. 

Just my grandson she had to give a shot to.  I was holding him and I told her what to do.  I said, you saw me do it before, so I'm sure you can.  So she did. 
And I taught her what they taught me, their little buttocks, their little fat butt here, you take and you divide that.  And up here where there's no muscle, you give the shot. 

And I told her, don't hesitate and don't push it in slowly, do this right away, fast.  That way, they wouldn't -- it wouldn't hurt, if you put in too slowly.  And then when you push the syringe, do it slowly, don't do that.  Yeah.  Just do it slowly, let the medicine go in slowly.  That's when we still gave penicillin shots. 

KAREN:  Oh. 

LILLIAN:  After some years, we didn't do that anymore.  Unless it was necessary for -- for -- for VD cases.  Yeah.  Yeah.  You had to do that, most of the time, they would send them to the clinic in Aniak, but while I was a health aide, they refused -- they let me do it.  They wanted me to do it, so I did. 
And I -- they still didn't -- they still gave shots for that because it was just kind of a serious thing.  Yeah, that was...

KAREN:  Who was the health aide after you, Theresa somebody? 

LILLIAN:  Theresa Demientieff. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

LILLIAN:  Uh-hum (affirmative).  And she was a health aide until she could no longer be.  After that, it was awfully hard to get health aides. 

We got Arlene, she married one of the men in Holy Cross, she lived in Anvik.  She already had had health aide training and stuff.  So when she moved down there, they built a room there.  We hired her for a health aide because she already had a lot of training.  She was one of the best. 

And then after that, there was some that would work for a while, a lot of them had alcohol problems, so they had -- they would be off -- on and off thing, like. 

KAREN:  Yeah, I was wondering why do you think that -- you know, you did it for 10 years and --

LILLIAN:  Uh-hum (affirmative). 

KAREN:  -- now if the people --

LILLIAN:  They have a --

KAREN:  -- stay and do it for that long.

LILLIAN:  Arlene has been on there and she resigned for a while, then she went back to working again.  And as far as I know, she's still working there.  She -- she's very good. 

KAREN:  What's her last name? 

LILLIAN:  Turner.  Arlene Turner. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

LILLIAN:  And there was some other younger aides that came on, they didn't last.