KAREN:  Do you remember your first delivery that you did? 

PAULA:  Not really.  But the first difficult delivery I did, I've never forget that.  The lady was having baby, but the baby couldn't come out.  Her cervix, she was too small down there.  And we had hard time. 

She even told me -- she even give me scissors, she was suffering so much.  She even gave me scissors to cut it and make it bigger so the baby can go out. 

And I just keep on talking to her and helping her what to do, and giving her reassurance.  And the baby finally come out, but naturally, she had tore.  But I cleaned her up well and put padding and the next day she -- she went to Bethel so that no infection come. 

KAREN:  So you delivered that in the village? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum.  Yeah.  So that's what I did were babies in the village.  I don't know how many. 

Another -- another delivery that I did that was kind of difficult was baby coming out feet first. 

KAREN:  Breach. 

PAULA:  Yeah, breach. 

KAREN:  What did you do there? 

PAULA:  I don't know, but I did good.  My mom used to tell me, expect those things, you know.  And what to do about them. 

So I just tried to -- well, see, it's like my Auntie used to tell me the breach baby comes like that, push the baby back and sort of turn it around.  And I didn't do that.  I was -- if you cannot turn it, turn it at all, there was some options, you know, to guide -- to guide the baby out.  And that's what I did.  Yeah. 

And the baby survived.  And there's -- the Native people like to sleep with their babies, right beside them.  And one time in the morning at four o'clock, somebody came and got me and keep telling me that baby wants to stop breathing.  It was one week old baby. 

And I went over there and from 4:30 until 11:30 in the morning, I took care of that baby.  The heart would stop.  The baby was not sick.  The heart would stop and the breathing.  And I used two fingers to massage the heart, and little puffs to the mouth, from 4:30 in the morning until 11:30. 

KAREN:  Wow. 

PAULA:  And when we got into the plane, anyway, I was doing that and then -- then we -- when the plane was coming, the father took me to the airport, there was no plane there, and I had stethoscope on the baby's chest. 

And while we were coming down from the airport, the heart stopped.  So I told him to -- first I looked and there was a house, and I told him to stop there, and I run in there and I put the baby on the bed and start doing massage and puffs to the mouth. 

And when she got -- when he got good, I put blanket on and went out, and we went to the river and the plane was in the river.  It had landed in the river. 

And the mother and the Public Health nurse from -- it was a new Public Health nurse, went with me from there to here, escort the baby.  And I keep doing that and the -- the nurse would relieve me. 

Then one time she told me that even we -- we get to Bethel before -- while this baby is alive, it's going to be vegetables.  And I said, just keep helping me. 

And as soon as we got to emergency room at the hospital, and they put oxygen, that baby got just lively and turned pink.  And I always think that if the mother never sleep with that baby, it would have been a crib death.  But because she sleeps with -- with her baby, he's okay. 

And I -- I used to do well child clinic with that child.  And sometimes I used to go, when he start going to school, I used to go to school and ask the teacher how he's doing, and he was doing good.  He graduate from high school.  And he's a normal person, up to this day.  Married and have children. 

KAREN:  How do you feel about a little break? 

PAULA:  Oh, yeah. 

KAREN:  Okay.