KAREN:  Well, how did you -- how did you do your work as a health aide without running water? 

PAULA:  Well, we managed.  Because I grow up like that, you pack water.  You boil water for drinking.  You heat up water to wash babies when they are born.  Or have the people soak their cuts or sores. 

And talking about birth control pills, before birth control pills, ladies still have babies, which is okay.  It's provided by nature and the way we were made. 

And then people in health care system decided to use birth control pills on women so they wouldn't have babies so much.  You know.  People used to have babies until they stopped having babies.  And they are okay, they are healthy people, even though they have 12 to 15 children.  That's -- that's the way we were made. 

So one time they introduced birth control pills that year.  And then some people start taking birth control pills.  And birth control pills, I find out later on, will make your body tend to have more children if you -- if you don't take it. 

KAREN:  Oh. 

PAULA:  So that year, the first year that they -- they got introduced, I had more pregnant women because once they forgot to take their pill, they get pregnant. 

KAREN:  Yeah. 

PAULA:  So that year I had 16 people pregnant, you know.  Because in every village, we used to have list of people who are pregnant so that we can do monthly or every -- monthly checkup on pregnant women until they are seven -- seven months, then from seven months on, you see them every two weeks. 

KAREN:  And then did you have to send them here to Bethel? 

PAULA:  Everybody -- the hospital wanted everybody to come here and have baby.  But we -- we -- a lot of people didn't have money to come here.  And we deliver a lot of babies at home.  But having women -- Women's Health Care prevented them from -- will make the women health -- having healthy pregnancies.  So... 

KAREN:  So you said you have seven children? 

PAULA:  No.  I never have -- I have two children and seven grandchildren. 

KAREN:  Seven grandchildren.  Okay.  So how did you -- you know, being a health aide and then a supervisor instructor, you had a pretty busy schedule.  How did you mix that with having a family and raising your children? 

PAULA:  Well, like I told you, when -- like when we were here, my mother came with us, she wanted to watch my boy.  So she watched my mom -- I mean, she watched my child when I'm training or when I'm working.  Same with my girl. 

But towards -- my baby, maybe my mom watch her until maybe she was four years old.  Then I get baby-sitter later on after she was four years old.  But she was in head start, you know, from the time she was 13 -- three years old, both of my children. 

And anyway, but my first grandchild, my -- John was working as an airline -- airline agent, so he practically grew up in a truck with his dad while I worked. 

KAREN:  Yeah, well, then, when you had to go away for training.

PAULA:  Yeah.

KAREN:  You had to be away for a couple months at a time? 

PAULA:  Well, a month at a time.  So I -- I have my mom bring my mom -- mother along and -- or my mother would take care of my child while I'm gone. 

KAREN:  It seems like you were lucky you had family support.

PAULA:  Oh, yeah, lots of support with -- from my family and from my husband, I had lots of support.  And then while I was a health aide, too, I made trips to, like, San Diego.  I went alone but my family took care of my kids. 

When they had nationwide health conference in San Diego, I went there.  And -- and the furthest trip I make, another one while I was supervisor instructor, we went to New York, that was the furthest -- I have the pictures with me. 

And also Myrtle VanDoorn, who was with us as a health aide, when we made that trip, make a little story on.  But she missed some things like riding in subway with Dr. -- Dr. Quick.  He used to be here and then he was in New York when we went to New York.  So he took us right around with riding subway. 

And then we went to -- one night we went to Twin -- one of the Twin Towers.  We went up to 107th floor to eat in a restaurant.  And I was just very curious to see how small the cars would be when -- when I look out the window. 

So as soon as we settled down, I went to the window and I was going to look out there and see how small the cars would look, but it overcast was very low.  The ceiling was very low and I just see clouds in there when I look out the window. 

So we had a wonderful time.  There was our boss there, some -- some of us -- some of the health aides, some -- some people from Women's Health Care, some of the -- well, anyway, we went -- we went to every booth in -- in one of the buildings and all day we were going from one booth to another. 

And when we came back to our room, we -- we spilled our bags on our beds and see who collect what.  And I had lots of pencils.  Pens and pencils with my bag.  And Myrtle VanDoorn had lots of -- lots of condoms, all colors.  And Mary Anaruk had -- I forgot what she had.  Lots of that. 

And then when Moses somebody, and when he came in, anyway, instead of going to his room, he came to our room.  And we wanted to see what he got.  He spilled his bag on the bed and it had lots of diaphragms.  All sizes and all colors.  That was fun. 

KAREN:  What -- what kind of a conference was that? 

PAULA:  Nationwide health conference. 

KAREN:  In New York? 

PAULA:  New York. 

KAREN:  Do you remember what year? 

PAULA:  It was 1992, I think. 

KAREN:  You said you had a picture. 

PAULA:  Yeah.