KAREN:  Do you want to look at some of those nice pictures you brought?
 
PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  Before we run out of time. 

PAULA:  These -- every year we used to have health aide conference at -- we had it one time in -- in Children's Home in Kwethluk, little ways from Kwethluk.  And each year -- this was in Kwethluk, Children's Home, we used that. 

And it's good to have conference at Kwethluk because there's no people around there, there's no cars, there's no phones, so we had a wonderful.
 
KAREN:  So these are all the health aides from YKHC? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  All of these here, Sam Alexie. 

KAREN:  Second one from the top.

PAULA:  And here's Clara.  Who else did you say?  And here's myself.
 
KAREN:  You're the front row? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative).

KAREN:  Second from the right. 

PAULA:  Yeah.  This is myself.
 
KAREN:  And Clara is in the little brown jacket.

PAULA:  Clara.  Uh-hum.
 
KAREN:  Second row, third from the left.

PAULA:  Theresa Demientieff from Holy Cross, is a good health aide. 

KAREN:  Maroon jacket, second from the left, second row from the front.

PAULA:  All of this I don't know.  I'm just telling you some of them. 

KAREN:  Yeah. 

PAULA:  Here's Mary Phillips. 

KAREN:  Oh, with the sunglasses, and the brown jacket and the --

PAULA:  Yeah.  Yeah.  And one of the -- like Frederick Moses, I think this is him.  Or this one. 

KAREN:  And about what year did you -- do you think this was?  Do you remember? 

PAULA:  I don't know.  The real pictures here, these are -- I just put them on --

KAREN:  You scanned them? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  I scanned these.
 
KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  And this is Lena.  I -- I was going to -- this is Lena Lake from Hooper Bay. 

KAREN:  And who is she?
 
PAULA:  She was a health aide, Lena Lake. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  Those are -- these are the first health aides.  And Abby Stephana from Russian Mission, she was one of the people that had eight months training here.  She's one of the first health aides, she passed away. 

KAREN:  So she's the older woman there on the left? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  Uh-hum.  But Lena Lake is still living.

KAREN:  Oh. 

PAULA:  And this is Agnes Boyscout, one of the first health aides in Chevak.  And she's still living. 

KAREN:  Wow. 

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  And this is Sam Alexie. 

KAREN:  Alexie and --

PAULA:  Yes.  From Eek.  Still living.  I was going to make pictures like this, a little story and frame them and hang them at the YKHC, but nobody would help me.  And I didn't really know what to do about that. 

And these are the supervisor instructors with coordinators. 

KAREN:  What's a coordinator? 

PAULA:  Coordinator is somebody based in Bethel who -- who -- and under the coordinator are supervisor instructors.

KAREN:  Okay.  So the coordinator kind of manages the program? 

PAULA:  Sort of.  If they know how. 

KAREN:  And so that's with YKHC? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative).  When they first started supervisor instructors, the -- they brought some people from Outside, out in the states like Deborah Caldera. 

KAREN:  So she's the one in the black shirt? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative).  But they didn't know anything about health aides.  There was four of them.  Catherine McNamara.  But they had to learn how the health aides function from me.  They didn't know anything about health aides.  So didn't work out really good. 

So the YKHC then learned and got supervising instructors out of the people who were health aides before.  That makes sense.  Then we know -- we know everything about health aiding and we know what we need as a support.

KAREN:  Uh-hum. 

PAULA:  So I was -- I was a health aide and I became supervising instructor.  Elena -- and I've retired. 

KAREN:  So let's say front row.

PAULA:  Okay. 

KAREN:  The first one in the black is Deborah. 

PAULA:  Okay. 

KAREN:  So right from -- from right to left.

PAULA:  Yes. 

KAREN:  And then that's you? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  And myself. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  Elena Rothschild, she's still a supervising instructor but she would like to go back to her village and work as a health aide again. 

KAREN:  And what village is she from? 

PAULA:  I don't know.  I forgot.  She's from close by. 

KAREN:  Okay.  And this next one? 

PAULA:  And this is Georgianna Wasky, she was a health aide, a nurse and a health aide and a supervising instructor.  But she has passed away.  She had cancer.  And this is Clara Morgan. 

KAREN:  With the glasses and the white shirt? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  I'm trying to find out who this is.
 
KAREN:  In the pink shirt. 

PAULA:  Yeah.  I think one of the health aides. 

And --

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  Which way do you want to go? 

KAREN:  Let's go the same way from the right to the left.  So the man. 

PAULA:  The man is Dr. Quick, the one that used to come here and work as a physician here.  And then became something else, and when we went to New York, he is the one who took us around.

KAREN:  How do you spell his name? 

PAULA:  Just Quick, you know, like "quick."

KAREN:  Q-U-I-C-K? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative).

KAREN:  Quick.  Okay.  And the next one down? 

PAULA:  I think this is Cathy McNamara, who was a coordinator. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  Supervisor.  And then this is Martha -- I forgot her last name.  And this one, too, I can't remember her name. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  And this is Janet.  Uh-hum.  Somebody.
 
KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  I don't know who this was.  Anyway, Martha did -- Martha was a health aide and then became supervisor instructor, and then became something else and study about the values of the food that we ate. 

KAREN:  Oh, okay. 

PAULA:  And this is Penny.  I forgot her name. 

KAREN:  Okay.  Did we decide what year that was? 

PAULA:  We'll see, I think.

KAREN:  Is might be on the original picture? 

PAULA:  This -- this one.

KAREN:  Right.  In Kwethluk? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  It was in --

KAREN:  Oh, 1988? 

PAULA:  '88.  Yeah. 

KAREN:  That's the Kwethluk.  Okay. 

PAULA:  This one is different.  Another different health aide gathering, but this is not so good. 

KAREN:  I'll put these in order quickly. 

PAULA:  This is another time at St. Mary's, health aide conference. 

KAREN:  Okay.

PAULA:  Two different years, I guess.  No, this -- yeah, I guess -- yeah, this is two different years. 

KAREN:  That looks the same -- no, it's the same. 

PAULA:  Is it? 

KAREN:  Yeah, I think it's just from a different angle.  Because it's the same people with the same clothes. 

PAULA:  Oh, yeah, now I see. 

KAREN:  I was looking at the clothes that people were wearing.

PAULA:  Uh-hum.  Yeah. 

KAREN:  So I think this one -- this one's a better one.  And this says -- oh, it doesn't have a date. 

PAULA:  No.  I was looking for a date, but --

KAREN:  And you don't remember, huh? 

PAULA:  Well, we had so many. 

KAREN:  Yeah.  You have them every year? 

PAULA:  Every single year.

KAREN:  Okay.  So all the YKHC aides would come together every year?
 
PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative). 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  This is another, what year, July of 1998, these were Martha Addy.

KAREN:  Back row left.  Okay.  Martha Addy. 

PAULA:  And this is Clara Morgan. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  And behind her, Bonnie Himshutt, our boss.

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  And what is her name now.  Belassa.  I don't know. 

KAREN:  In the red? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  I'll probably remember.  And myself. 

KAREN:  Okay.  And then the front, left to right, or starting --

PAULA:  Oh, Elena Rothschild. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  Napakiak health aide, Ruth Evan, she was a health add and then supervisory instructor.  Julia Street was supervisor instructor, now she works in Dr. Claka's (phonetic) office. 

KAREN:  Here in Bethel? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative).
 
KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  And this is Belassa Larson, supervisor instructor.

KAREN:  So this was a supervisor instructor meeting? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum.  Yeah. 

KAREN:  Okay.  Here in Bethel? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  Every month we used to get together and meet here in Bethel.

This is another of our pictures, you know, but it's -- must be the same time that I have same shirt.

KAREN:  You wore the same shirt in the St. Mary's one, or --

PAULA:  No.  This one.  I'm wearing the same shirt.  Yeah.  Same time.
 
KAREN:  This one's outside someplace.
 
PAULA:  Yeah.  Outside of St. Mary's. 

KAREN:  Oh, that's at St. Mary's. 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative). 

KAREN:  Do you want to use this one? 

PAULA:  I'll see if -- yeah.  I think that's good. 

KAREN:  So that's Number 9.  So this is supervisor instructors again? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative).  And when we go to St. Mary's for health aide conference, everybody learns how to or review giving shots or doing something.  So just going through everything, you know. 

During this time, when we were at St. Mary's, we learned about giving shots.  We review and we used the orange for giving shot properly.

KAREN:  So that's what's happening in that picture Number 10?
 
PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative). 

KAREN:  Who is this? 

PAULA:  This is myself. 

KAREN:  In the pink.  Okay. 

PAULA:  Yeah.  I don't know which health aide was behind me.  Somebody from upriver I think.  And Janie Taluk (phonetic) from Kotlik. 

KAREN:  Okay.  In this one back here, this Number 9, I'm numbering the pictures as we go, Number 9, do you recognize who the other people are in that picture?  It's just --

PAULA:  It's -- it's the same thing.

KAREN:  Same group, so just pick one of those.  Yeah. 

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  If you don't recognize them, that's okay.  I can just say --

PAULA:  Well, this is Clara. 

KAREN:  Front row is Clara. 

PAULA:  I think this is the same thing.  Yeah.  This is the same thing. 

KAREN:  Yeah. 

PAULA:  This is cute.  Look at the way Ruth Evan's mouth is trying to smile, just grin on one side. 

KAREN:  So the first one on the left is Clara. 

PAULA:  Clara Morgan.  Martha Addy.  Ruth Evan, Elena Rothschild, this is our boss, Bonnie Himshutt. 

KAREN:  Okay.  Wait.  After Elena --

PAULA:  I don't remember. 

KAREN:  You're -- you're not in that picture. 

PAULA:  Yeah, I took the pictures. 

KAREN:  Let's use the one -- this is a better picture. 

PAULA:  But she's gone there.  Well, even she's gone there.  But I forgot -- I forgot these, you know.  I know their faces, but I forgot their --

KAREN:  Right.  Well, we'll see which -- do you want to use one with you and one without you, or --

PAULA:  Maybe this one would be better.  Yeah. 

KAREN:  Okay.  So this one now it's Clara is the first? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative). 

KAREN:  And then who is this one with the Alaska shirt? 

PAULA:  I don't know. 

KAREN:  Okay.  Question mark.  And then Ruth Evan? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative). 

KAREN:  I recognize -- I'm getting it by the clothing. 

PAULA:  Yeah.  And Bonnie Haines.  Oh, yeah, Elena Rothschild.
 
KAREN:  Elena Rothschild.  Then you? 

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  And then this --

PAULA:  I don't know her. 

KAREN:  Okay.  Okay.  Now, we do the back row.  Left to right.  Which is that first person. 

PAULA:  I don't know her. 

KAREN:  Okay.  Then your boss? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  Bonnie Himshutt. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  This, I don't remember. 

KAREN:  Okay.  And then there's that man. 

PAULA:  He used to be our teacher.  One of the trainers, health aide trainers. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  I can't remember his name. 

KAREN:  Okay.  And then we left out this one. 

PAULA:  This lady used to be our coordinator. 

KAREN:  Okay.  You don't remember her name? 

PAULA:  No. 

KAREN:  Okay.  All right. 

PAULA:  And this Black lady, I forgot what -- she was something in the Health Aide Program. 

KAREN:  Let me put that one in my pile.  Okay.
 
PAULA:  Let me see.  We've seen these.  Somebody went out to Alakanuk to interview me one time, I don't know for what, and he sent me those pictures. 

KAREN:  They are kind of dark. 

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  Well, we're going to take a new one of you today to go with this interview, so... 

PAULA:  Yeah.  Another lady from YKHC, this is -- her name is Sue.  She came to interview me on -- on something at that time, so she's here and I'm here. 

KAREN:  So is it a picture of you --

PAULA:  Me and Sue somebody. 

KAREN:  Okay.  So that's Number 11 is you.  Do you know about what year that was?  Can you tell by looking at yourself or your -- your -- the parka you're wearing? 

PAULA:  I wish I could see that date.

KAREN:  This one you look like you're outside.  Oh, you're in the back of a truck in this one.

PAULA:  Yeah.  And when we went into the -- into my office, this doesn't look like my office, though.  My office was a unique place.
 
KAREN:  Here, this one? 

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  This is inside.  Is that in your house? 

PAULA:  I don't know.  I don't think so.  It -- I don't think this was in my house.  Oh, they were interviewing a couple, and that was in their house. 

KAREN:  Okay.  I don't see it too well. 

PAULA:  And that was so -- and before she left, I took her picture and these two people.  They were doing a film. 

KAREN:  So this is -- this is you in your parka --

PAULA:  No, this is Sue. 

KAREN:  Oh, okay.  You're taking the picture.

PAULA:  The lady -- yeah.  I took the picture.  Because she came to make that -- I think they were under nutrition, doing nutrition, and we visited somebody's house. 

KAREN:  Those pictures of you, though, those are really good.  I don't know that we need those pictures of other people.

PAULA:  Yeah.  Okay.  And when I graduate from high school in Tacoma, Washington, by the time I graduate, I was 21.  And this was my -- this was in 4/4/60 -- '63. 

KAREN:  1963? 

PAULA:  Well, I sent -- it was -- it happened before then.  But in 1963, I sent it to my cousin.

KAREN:  So what year did you graduate?
 
PAULA:  I don't know.  How old would I be?  In 1961, I guess.  Yeah.  In 1961.  I graduated and somebody did portrait on my -- enlarge it and give me this. 

KAREN:  That's pretty. 

PAULA:  And that was before I got married.  1961.  Two years later, in '63, I became a health aide. 

KAREN:  Well, you say here, this is my graduation picture.  I'm going to summer school and graduating in July.  So I guess we are graduating in the same year.  I won't be home until middle of July.  With all my love to you and -- maybe Lyle?  Paula.  Virgie, that's your cousin? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  But this was done in '61.

KAREN:  Okay. 

PAULA:  My high school graduate.  And I -- this is when I got my AA degree --

KAREN:  Oh. 

PAULA:  -- in health.
 
KAREN:  That's your graduation? 

PAULA:  Yeah.  I couldn't find a single picture of that, so I -- I brought that one. 

KAREN:  Do you remember what year that was? 

PAULA:  '97.  Spring of '97.  I was going through all those years, I put science aside, and then when we did science, we came here and we stayed here for two weeks and work in the lab.  And it was the easiest one of all the, you know, classes I took. 

KAREN:  So which one is you in that picture?  You're the first on the left?
 
PAULA:  This one.  Uh-hum.

KAREN:  Do you remember the other people? 

PAULA:  No.  Because we were -- we did our -- all our training through audio then. 

KAREN:  Oh. 

PAULA:  So on the last day before graduation was the first time we got to meet each others.  And when we had left for two weeks and became good friends. 

KAREN:  So that was an AA degree from University of Alaska?  Or --

PAULA:  UAF.

KAREN:  UAF.  Okay.  It looks like some of those other pictures -- this one, you said, is '97, and by looking at that number on the back, it looks like a '97.  So there was a couple other pictures where we were -- we didn't know the date. 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative). 

KAREN:  I was going to see maybe, they say '97, too.  So the St. Mary's conferences? 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative). 

KAREN:  So maybe those were 1997. 

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  1997.  See that '97?  Yeah.  Looks like it's the same.

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  And you know that from your graduation. 

PAULA:  Uh-hum (affirmative).

KAREN:  So we can guess that those other ones are '97 --

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  -- too.  All right.  Okay. 

PAULA:  That's all the pictures I was able to find. 

KAREN:  That's great.  That's great.  Yeah, you said that there had been one of you working as a health aide in your smock, but you couldn't find it. 

PAULA:  No.  And I couldn't find that. 

KAREN:  Well, if you find it, we can always add it later. 

PAULA:  Yeah.  And these were the treasures I took from New York. 

KAREN:  Your New York souvenirs? 

PAULA:  Yeah. 

KAREN:  Great.  Well, that's wonderful.  You've got a really good sense of your work that you've done and made you talk for a long time, so you're probably tired and ready to stop and unless there's anything else you want to talk about that -- I didn't ask about. 

PAULA:  No.  You probably need to work on this.

KAREN:  Yeah, I'm going to scan these in.  You probably may be hungry. 

PAULA:  Not really. 

KAREN:  So this won't -- this won't take me very long, but I want to stop and make sure I have time to do that. 

PAULA:  Yeah.

KAREN:  So I thought I'd end the interview unless you had anything else that you thought of that you wanted to talk about.