ROSE:  Just coming to -- coming to -- for the old time way back --

MARLA:  Yeah. 

ROSE:  -- and these modern days, at each others, just at that point.  But you know, it's a miracle that there's people around here.  That's miracle. 

MARLA:  Yeah. 

ROSE:  How our mother and our father and ourselves, how we passed -- how we grow up as a baby with no shots.  And we're alive.  That's -- something was behind us.  That means God is behind the whole thing.

We're here. 

But see, what will happen right now, let's say, this is -- I was born in 1928.  Okay.  I probably didn't get baby shots.  And I'm -- I'm here today.  Okay. 

Let's talk about baby was born right now.  How would they be if didn't have no baby shots?  They'll die.  They'll die.  See.  The White man's help is here. 

So that's a big, big step. 

The main part is babies.  Yeah.  Pay attention to the babies.  That's the greatest part. 

But speaking about how we come, how our mother and our dad, our ancestors, they didn't get no medicine.  And all of them was pretty old, too.

So anyway.  Anyway.  They even got meningitis shots, I think.  Yeah.  I think it came -- almost I retired around '93, I think it was coming around that time already.
 
But they are doing everything, all they can, to help little tiny infant to make it.  To make it.  And the medicine -- the modern medicine is here from White people.  So that's it, you know.
 
See, we have to do in this modern world right now, we have medicine in the clinic, when are -- something wrong with our ears, you know, like fluid get inside our eustachian tube and there's medicine in the clinic.  And how to take care of our eyes, you know, for the infections and stuff.
 
How our parents and even ourself, how we grow up out in the camp and out in the woods with no medicine for our vi -- for our virus cold, but what else say is we didn't see no virus cold, no bad cough.  We're -- we're all in the camp.  If we got sick, we might have got sick about once a year, after we were in fish camp or somewhere in April.  That's all.  There was no -- there was no all kinds of virus, upper respiratory infections, chest, bad cough.  We never saw that.  We never saw that. 

MARLA:  And when you -- when there was someone sick in camp, what did you do?  Was there some natural medicine or foods or herbs that -- or just would wait? 

ROSE:  No.  I don't remember now what we did. 

MARLA:  Yeah. 

ROSE:  But we did whatever we have to.  Just using hot steams and stuff like that.  But really, we never -- we never saw no infections, no infections of the ears or chest and -- nobody -- we don't know nothing about diarrheas or nothing. 

But it's in the recent years, you know, somewhere around in the '50s maybe, that's when the people have to stay in the village.  That's where the kids to go to school. 

Well, then it got there, you know.  The virus cold and all that.  Okay.  That was holding down pretty good.  That was holding down pretty good. 

But let's say in about, I don't know, let's say 25 or 30 years within the 25 or 30 years, there's that virus cold, bad cough, and stuff like that.  It's just here year around. 

And you know what I think, me, everybody fly in airplanes.  And you know, people even travel to the other countries.  And what the other country got, we got, we get it, in no time us, too. 

And like we have schools.  Well, that's -- that's where they get, it you know.  But see, where I grow up we're in the camp, nobody is near us.   We have no way to catch that virus cold, bad cough, or diarrheas and everything.  We never saw -- we never saw that.  We don't know nothing about diarrhea. Nobody say, I caught cold and I got a cough.  Nobody.  Because everybody is in the camp.  But I think it was like that all over.  Up and down the river.  Everywhere there was less -- less of a virus, upper respiratory tract or diarrheas.  There wasn't much of that.