KAREN:  So what did you do after 1975 when you left? 

ROY:  Well, before you go there --

KAREN:  Okay. 

ROY:  -- you may want to interview Mr. Ivey and Ms. Bolan.  They are still around. 

KAREN:  Okay. 

ROY:  And they have a lot of -- they have a lot of the -- Bolan, for example, could give you a lot of the technical slant of the training.

KAREN:  Well, and as a nurse --

ROY:  And Ivey could tell you a lot about the policy strategies. 

KAREN:  And then her role as a nurse trainer, that's somebody, a perspective that we haven't talked to. 

ROY:  Yeah, she's a surgical nurse by training and a very highly trained nurse, and very competent trainer. 

KAREN:  Okay.  So did you continue to do work related to the health aide program after '75? 

ROY:  No, unfortunately, I didn't.  I was involved in -- in the local Native organization at the time pursuing a claims settlement, a land claims settlement, and this dated back to the late '60s. 

And during that period of time, the land claims settlement had been enacted by Congress and a corporation had been formed in Cook Inlet, as had been the case with -- in the other regions.  And I was a -- a member of the board. 

And in 1975, there had been a period of what I call high burn kind of activity where we more or less burned out two presidents in a row and each serving two or three years, and just couldn't cope after a while --

KAREN:  It was. 

ROY:  -- with the high, high pressure --

KAREN:  Yeah, it was an intense time.

ROY:  -- and demands. 

And so the board asked me if I would consider being considered for president.  And so after some thought, I said I would, and they hired me as the president of Cook Inlet Region, Incorporated, and I left -- so I left the program in May of '75 and worked at CIRI as president until January of 1996. 

KAREN:  And then you retired? 

ROY:  Then I retired from that job, and I have since been a -- a consultant.  I consult with nonprofit organizations and help them raise funds, primarily from foundations and other private sources. 

KAREN:  Oh, great.  Now we can get back to the --

ROY:  But I don't do it on a full-time basis, it's more of a half-time basis. 

KAREN:  Yeah.  Well, you're retired.

ROY:  I'm retired and tired. 

KAREN:  I do have some more questions on the health aide, I just kind of wanted to get the whole picture.

ROY:  Uh-hum (affirmative).

KAREN:  And you said you went to business school --

ROY:  Yes.

KAREN:  -- for your education background? 

ROY:  In fact, I went at night.  I started at community college in 1972, then switched to the University of Alaska, taking a couple of courses a semester, University of Alaska Anchorage, and took night courses.  And I finally graduated in 1984, 12 years later, with a -- a bachelors degree in business administration, emphasis finance and management. 

In those days, they had switched over to only one emphasis, but they said I was grandfathered, so they let me -- I had enough credits for two emphases, so they let me do that.