KAREN: I don't know, you started in '80. Did you have experience with Public Health Service running the program versus KANA running the program?

STELLA: Uh-hum. I had -- I mean, I started when the Public Health was still running it --

KAREN: Uh-hum.

STELLA: -- through, you know, through Anchorage.

KAREN: Can you talk about the differences and pros and cons of one versus the other? Have you thought about that?

STELLA: I think -- I think it has changed. I mean, I think we have better care now, we have more, you know, doctor visits and dental visits and we have -- you know, it's closer here to Kodiak than you would have to go all the way to Anchorage --

KAREN: Uh-hum.

STELLA: -- for -- for any medical stuff. So it's closer and I think I -- I think KANA was a good thing that happened.

KAREN: Oh, good.

STELLA: Uh-hum.

KAREN: Good. The other thing is that if you have any thoughts about, you know, the medical care in the village and sort of being professionalized as a health aide versus as when it was healers and midwives.

STELLA: Yeah.

KAREN: Have you thought about that and the differences?

STELLA: And the differences? Yeah, it's a lot more. We have Western medication now, medicine.

KAREN: Uh-hum.

STELLA: Instead of traditional. And that's -- people have forgotten, or, you know, don't really use traditional anymore. It's -- it's kind of -- you know, it's -- I guess it's thought of as not -- you know, it doesn't work anymore, or I'm not sure.

KAREN: Uh-hum. So do you think that the professionalizing it with health aides has been a good thing?

STELLA: In a way. I think, you know, more than not.

KAREN: Uh-hum.

STELLA: Because there's more available, you know, things that we do.

KAREN: Uh-hum.

STELLA: Traditional is -- when I hear my mom or the elders talk about it, you know, I think it's better off right now than the way it was before.