KAREN: What about any traditional healing? Was any midwife -- well you talked about midwives but traditional doctors, traditional healing was that going on in Hoonah when you lived there?

TRUDY: Have what?

KAREN: Traditional healing, traditional doctors, traditional medicine. There wasn't any of that.

TRUDY: Didn't hear of any if there was. We were just a bunch of ladies that wanted to learn and help our people, that's all there was to it.

And that's how we became health aides. Because we wanted to help our people. And some of these guys always laugh about me being Indian, but I am full blooded Indian and I'm proud of it.

I said: “There's a lot of things I could do that you can't do. So, you better not laugh at me too loud. See if I hear you, I'm very quick tempered. I'm sorry.” I said: “If anybody ever approaches me and tries to treat me snotty, you folks are gonna get it, you're gonna watch and get it.”

And I almost did. A lady from Juneau, she's living on the other side, start giving me a bad time and I almost socked her. And she runs all over telling how I beat her up. I didn't beat her up. If I ever beat her up, she wouldn't sit up.

KAREN: Your daughter mentioned that the clinic in Hoonah is named after you.

TRUDY: That's what she said. I didn't know that.

KAREN: You didn't know that?

TRUDY: Uh-hum (negative). She said: “You were there mom.” I said “No, I don't”--

KAREN: You just don't remember?

TRUDY: -- don't remember. She said: “They named the clinic after you.”

Now, they moved that clinic from downtown by the school. They moved it up the hill. Up on -- above the old the timers home, what do you call that, where all the old people live.

KAREN: Like this elders' home or senior's --

TRUDY: Elders' home, yeah. It's above there now. But the original, the one they named after me was down by the school. It was in front of the school in fact. They tore that down because that was school property.

KAREN: So, even though you don't remember the naming how does it make you feel to have a clinic named after you?

TRUDY: Oh, it doesn't make me feel any different. They are not the first ones, ouch.

KAREN: She also mentioned that, you know, you talked about all your kids helped you, and your daughter Marilyn said now everybody is doing health related kind of work, all your kids.

TRUDY: Yeah, she is. My oldest boy helps me yet, if I need help. I don't anymore, you know, I don't go out there anymore hardly.

KAREN: No, your daughter Marilyn was a health aide for a while?

TRUDY: She was alternate --

KAREN: Alternate.

TRUDY: -- health aide.

KAREN: And now your son works at the clinic?

TRUDY: No.

KAREN: No?

TRUDY: Oh yeah, my son Bill works at the clinic.

KAREN: And your husband did firefighting?

TRUDY: Oh yeah. He did everything.

KAREN: So, everybody in your family is doing something --

TRUDY: -- medical orientated. I had the youngest daughter that was like Marilyn. But she was giddy, she's always running around doing everything and in the meantime she was there helping people. But she died, she drowned.

KAREN: What are your other kids do?

TRUDY: Helping me?

KAREN: No, what other kinds of job. Your other children, what jobs do they have now?

TRUDY: I don't know. I don't keep track of them. I know one daughter works here, but I don't see her or hear from her.

KAREN: Okay.