Leo Jackson: Interview Outline: Section 3 Attending school as a boy and hunting for his family when his father was sick Tape Reference Number: H2002-09-09 Leo Jackson talks with Bill Schneider, Hazel Apok, and Eileen Devinney in Kiana, Alaska on February 28, 2002.

Bill Schneider: Are there some aspects of the history that you would like to talk about of Kiana?

Leo Jackson: Well, I was -- I just can't remember too well. Just little kids playing around all the time.

Bill Schneider: Maybe you could take us through a year of what you did in summertime and fall time, winter and spring.

Leo Jackson: Yeah. Fall time.

Bill Schneider: When you were a boy.

Leo Jackson: You have to go to -- I had to go to school when I was six years old. And some -- some winters we don't have no school teachers there and had to skip a year. That was during World War II. Then after that I barely went up to sixth grade here at Kiana. I was sent to White Mountain to finish 7th grade. I didn't finish 7th grade. I had to come home again.

My father was very sick. And my mother, and I -- had to make -- try and make it through hard times. I had to go out hunting caribou, rabbits, ptarmigans, ducks, muskrats, anything I could get. I was still young. My father taught me -- I mean talked to me about hunting. Using those techniques. And I was sometimes lucky, but not all the time. Come home empty handed, too.

Hazel Apok: How did you used to catch rabbits?

Leo Jackson: Well, sometimes I put snares or just shoot 'em with a .22. And then sometimes a whole bunch of us would go out, drive the rabbits.

Hazel Apok: That's what I've heard before, too.

Leo Jackson: It was a lot of fun doing that.

Hazel Apok: Uh-hum. When you're driving 'em.

Leo Jackson: Some people set net on the other end, far end, whole bunch of them driving down.

Hazel Apok: Uh-hum.

Leo Jackson: We would leave two people down there on the other end to shoot off them rabbits.

Hazel Apok: And how did you catch muskrats?

Leo Jackson: Kayaks. Traps. That was always a problem when I was a small kid. They set a trap for me. Every 15 minutes I think.

Hazel Apok: To check it?

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