Leo Jackson: Interview Outline: Section 8 Archie Ferguson, coming home to Kiana, and playing games Tape Reference Number: H2002-09-09 Leo Jackson talks with Bill Schneider, Hazel Apok, and Eileen Devinney in Kiana, Alaska on February 28, 2002.

Bill Schneider: So he had a store as well as flying business, huh?

Leo Jackson: Yeah. Uh-hum. First airplane ride was with him from Noorvik to Kiana. I was just a small boy yet.

Bill Schneider: How -- how -- can you tell us about that?

Leo Jackson: It was on the way to Fairbanks with another passenger. He was going to work. My -- my father and I spend about two, three weeks down there at Christmas week. And I wanted to come home. I missed Kiana, my -- my sisters.

Bill Schneider: Uh-hum.

Leo Jackson: Decided to send me home on a plane. My airfare was five dollars.

Hazel Apok: I was just going to ask, how much money?

Leo Jackson: My airfare was only five dollars.

Eileen Devinney: If we just break, we can undo the cords and make it longer. That's why we can't move it.

Bill Schneider: Yeah. Let's -- let's take a break for a minute and readjust the tape recorder.

Leo Jackson: Them days -- we used, we used to have foot races, dog races, and nobody earning any prizes. We had fun. We had a lot of fun doing that.

Hazel Apok: And it was all volunteer work.

Leo Jackson: Yeah, all volunteer. No prizes, no first places, second.

Hazel Apok: How about in the summertime?

Leo Jackson: Sum - same thing. They -- old people, old men get some darts or they make -- cut out some willows maybe, inch, little over an inch, and so long, and throw them, to a post. The one closest to it gets more marks.

Bill Schneider: What did they call that game?

Leo Jackson: Oh, I don't know what they called it. Almost like horseshoeing.

Bill Schneider: Yeah.

Hazel Apok: Who was it that mentioned that?

Eileen Devinney: I think that was Walter.

Hazel Apok: Walter. Yeah.

Eileen Devinney: He mentioned that game, mana manaa. However you say it.

Hazel Apok: Yeah. Mana manaa.

Leo Jackson: Yeah. They have kayak races at Fourth of July.

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